At first despite being very pumped to watch this, I wasn't sure I'd enjoy it, because it starts slow. I don't think Rodman Flender worked that hard at creating a compelling narrative or pacing the story, so as a result, the establishing of the situation and initial planning stages drone on and fall a bit flat. Fortunately, Conan O'Brien is a compelling and entertaining enough subject that ultimately the quality or lack thereof of the technical storytelling doesn't matter; you're drawn in by O'Brien himself, want to get to know him and his story, and he doesn't disappoint. As a result, Flender really just has to be competent at following O'Brien around with cameras and knowing how to cut a movie--he is proficient in both--and his subject handles the rest. Once O'Brien is out on the road performing and his testimonials begin to reveal more about his psyche, this becomes a very good piece. O'Brien is a fascinating individual, balanced between his love of performing for crowds and intense scrutiny over his work. It's hard to tell how much of his inability to stop (as alluded to in the title) and desire to interact with his public is fueled by work ethic and how much by a sort of addiction. While Flender certainly presents O'Brien in a flattering light that seems genuine, he doesn't lionize him to the point of not showing the more personal moments where he is frustrated by having to meet and greet all his back-up singer's family and friends, an act he seemed completely enthused by in the previous scene. The footage of the actual shows is fun, but I didn't so much care for seeing how the sausage was made in this case; I was far more engaged by Conan himself, his relationships with the people around him--particularly with his young assistant, as they had a natural comic chemistry and she was tremendously endearing--and the rewards as well as the toll this experience handed him. While the stuff with Jack McBrayer is hilarious, the shots of Conan exhausted and alone following a performance are what will stick with me.
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Saturday, August 6, 2011
Paragraph Movie Reviews: Conan O'Brien Can't Stop
At first despite being very pumped to watch this, I wasn't sure I'd enjoy it, because it starts slow. I don't think Rodman Flender worked that hard at creating a compelling narrative or pacing the story, so as a result, the establishing of the situation and initial planning stages drone on and fall a bit flat. Fortunately, Conan O'Brien is a compelling and entertaining enough subject that ultimately the quality or lack thereof of the technical storytelling doesn't matter; you're drawn in by O'Brien himself, want to get to know him and his story, and he doesn't disappoint. As a result, Flender really just has to be competent at following O'Brien around with cameras and knowing how to cut a movie--he is proficient in both--and his subject handles the rest. Once O'Brien is out on the road performing and his testimonials begin to reveal more about his psyche, this becomes a very good piece. O'Brien is a fascinating individual, balanced between his love of performing for crowds and intense scrutiny over his work. It's hard to tell how much of his inability to stop (as alluded to in the title) and desire to interact with his public is fueled by work ethic and how much by a sort of addiction. While Flender certainly presents O'Brien in a flattering light that seems genuine, he doesn't lionize him to the point of not showing the more personal moments where he is frustrated by having to meet and greet all his back-up singer's family and friends, an act he seemed completely enthused by in the previous scene. The footage of the actual shows is fun, but I didn't so much care for seeing how the sausage was made in this case; I was far more engaged by Conan himself, his relationships with the people around him--particularly with his young assistant, as they had a natural comic chemistry and she was tremendously endearing--and the rewards as well as the toll this experience handed him. While the stuff with Jack McBrayer is hilarious, the shots of Conan exhausted and alone following a performance are what will stick with me.
Thursday, May 26, 2011
Sayonara, Smallville: "Finale"
Incredible but true: This year, The CW's "Smallville" embarks on its tenth and final season, making it not just the longest-running Superman TV show ever but the longest-running comic book TV show ever produced. Bananas, right?
We've been off as it's been off, but to celebrate its final year, we're teaming up our collective powers of dumb DCU trivia, long experience watching and writing about the show and general obsession with serial TV to bring you "Sayonara, Smallville" – a semi-regular feature where we'll review the most notable episodes of the season whenever we can. Everyone is invited to play along.
And of course, catch up with all our previous "Sayonara, Smallville" review chats covering every episode of the tenth and final season so far: Lazarus, Shield, Supergirl, Homecoming, Isis, Harvest, Ambush, Abandoned, Patriot, Luthor, Icarus, Collateral, Beacon, Masquerade, Fortune, Scion, Kent, Booster, Dominion and Prophecy.

Ben: Ok, before we get into this, I need to get an opening thought out there.
Kiel: Go!
Ben: I enjoyed watching this finale. There were moments where I am not ashamed to say I honestly audibly cheered. Were there also moments that I mentally tagged immediately as being not just "Smallville" bad but bad? Yes. Was I a bit loopy and sleep-deprived from my trip to Washington DC? Yes. But well I'm fully aware that even as soon as a few minutes from now when we actually dig in an analyze I will find much to criticize about this episode, I felt Smallville deserved me saying that in the moment of watching it, I enjoyed its finale. On that level if nothing else, it was a success in my mind. I would also like to pat myself on the back for successfully avoiding spoilers for nearly 48 hours.
Kiel: Go you! Here's the best thing I've seen said about the finale: "It was better than Lois & Clark" which Ivan Cohen said on Facebook. I laughed, but there's something to that. This show went ten years and stayed consistently up on fun stuff. I think there's a LOT lacking in the finale, but it doesn't drag the whole show down for me.
Ben: Good call by Ivan. To be fair to "Lois & Clark" though, "Smallville" really did get to go out on its own terms. They knew for quite some time this was going to be their last season and were able to get all their ducks in a row. They also ran far longer than I think many people who worked on the show expected and I doubt there are many ideas – I'm sure there are some – they didn't get to.
Kiel: For sure, but just as being a solid overall Superman project, I dig it. But man.This last episode was epically "Smallville" in every sense of the word.
Ben: Oh absolutely, but I've seen quite a few complaints around the 'net about the finale specifically and the show in general about how a big issue was that they "didn't get Superman right." By that I mean people weren't happy because Tom Welling's Clark Kent doesn't match up with their ideal of Superman from the comics and from other TV/movie portrayals. I see a point there somewhere, but mostly I think that's bunk.
This is a show about Superman, but it also isn't. When you create a TV show or movie about an existing character, yes you are taking on some burden of adhering to that character as they exist, but there is a sliding scale there. I expect a Superman movie (or an Iron Man movie or Batman movie) to at least have some tonal shared ground with the source material. But this is a show that started out as a full-on teen drama on The WB. It was about a kid named Clark Kent and his journey, not a straight-up adaptation of the origin of Superman.
For folks used to reading about a multiverse, I think you need to get a bit more onboard that this isn't "your" Superman and it's ok if they zigged where the classics zagged.
If you found the character unlikable, the stories ridiculous or the show bad for any number of valid reasons, I get that, but if you main bone of contention was that they "got Superman wrong," I just have to disagree with you. This show was never about getting Superman "right." Superman was a launch point more than a guide.
Kiel: I mean, I think this: Adam West and Batman and Christian Bale as Batman are both equally "Batman." They're representations of what that character is, point blank. Same respect, "Smallville" is as much Superman as Chris Reeve or Brandon Routh or Tim Daly as drawn by Bruce Timm or whatever. This is a Superman show whether it hit a few style points on person may dig over another.
But it has a lot of its own ridiculous properties by virtue of being, yeah, a WB teen drama too.
Ben: Well put as always my friend. And I say all this with the weight of irony knowing we will surely be bagging on how they got the New Gods "wrong" in just a bit being well known to me.
Kiel: HAHAHAHAHA!
Ben: We are comic fans. This is what we do.
Kiel: However...before that...

In terms of looking at this finale as just the finale, I think we've got to really look at it as two big episodes. Because aside from having different writers, the two halves of this are totally different stories almost.
Ben: They absolutely are, though I have to say had they not put in the credits and whatnot at the beginning, I would not have necessarily latched on to "Oh, there was the halfway point." It did have a decent transition from one to the next. It's another one of those things that's more obvious when you think about it, but it didn't jump out at me in the moment.
Kiel: The transition out of part one was, BY FAR the best part of part one.
Ben: Oh I have a different opinion I think, but I'll save it.

Kiel: OK, so let's start with the flashforward frame. My question on Twitter was "Is that Gary Frank?" And it was, wasn't it?
Ben: It was.
Kiel: Well, that's nice. Otherwise, that scene didn't do much for me one way or the other.
Ben: And in two of who knows how many hat tips I'll be giving to our contemporaries Chris Sims and David Uzumeri from Comics Alliance, apparently DC books are still $2.99 in seven years and also Superman functions in a universe where there is a comic book telling his life story.
Kiel: But that's just it! I couldn't even pay attention to the price stuff or whatever, because from moment 1, I was going, "So wait...does the world know he's Superman in seven years, or did Chloe just get this one comic made to read to her and Oliver's child?"
Ben: Yeah, it's a pretty HUGE gaping logic hole they're asking you to ignore right off the bat for the sake of a cutesy framing sequence.
Kiel: Like I said, Classic Smallville.
Ben: You know what the scene actually reminded me of? The opening of the original Richard Donner Superman movie with the cover to Action Comics and the kid narrating.
Kiel: Yeah, I got that too...just not quite nailing it there placing it so in world maybe...I dunno.
Ben: Not sure if that was intentional--knowing how much the people who make Smallville dig the Donner movies it could have been--but that was the neatest part of that scene for me. I feel like it could have been a case of them thinking "Oh, this worked in the Donner movie..." but not thinking about implications, i.e. how it was never mentioned again in the movie whereas they had to come back to it later. Did it bug you that we kinda knew Chloe was safe from minute one since she seemed a potential casualty or no?
Kiel: I don't know. I don't think I would have liked the exact opposite track where they make it look like she'll die the whole episode.
Ben: Yeah.

Kiel: And I'll say this: I am very curious to hear what you think about how Chloe went ouf of this show. I think she had the best moment of any regular cast member outside of the big three. Did you still hate her when she said "See you in the funny pages"? COULD YOU?
Ben: First of all, yes, I absolutely could, can and do. But second, I was a bit surprised at how small her role was in the finale overall, regardless of the fact that she got some crucial stuff to do. Aside from Clark, she was really the spine of the series, moreso even than Lex, so I expected her to be around more, but I imagine that had more to do with the fact that Alison Mack had a limited shooting schedule (why, I don't know). I'm not saying I WANTED her in it more, but Rao help me (yep, went there), it almost felt wrong that she wasn't.
But the scene Chloe exited on (aside from the final flash forward) and she got the hug with Clark, goodbye with Ollie and then weird slow-mo and strange look on her face, I took it to mean she was going to have some crazy, unexpected role to play (like, I dunno, she's Highfather or something), but I think it was really just the show's way of saying goodbye to Alison Mack and vice versa. But I need to hear more about why you loved this exit line so much.
Kiel: I guess the exit line was just a cute phrase you'd expect out of the spunky reporter gal that's friends with Clark Kent. It was a fun moment in a finale that had a LOT of super insanely serious ones.
Ben; OK, I will give you that. I will give you your simple pleasures, Kiel Phegley!
Kiel: Damn right, you will! But yeah, I thought she would have had a more central role than, say, the Kents, but I see why not. In some respects they way more embraced the Superman mythological elements throughout this thing than they did the elements of "Smallville" itself.
Ben: Though if you were playing a drinking game revolving around how many times the word "Smallville" was used, you'd be in the hospital or dead.

Kiel: And when I say, "they embraced the mythology" what I mean is "they turned that Superman stuff into an obvious beyond obvious Jesus metaphor."
Ben: Around the time he first flew, Megan commented "So Superman is a pretty obvious Jesus metaphor, huh?"
Kiel: Oh man! They were working it so much earlier than that. Beyond the constant references him to being either a "savior" or "a light to the world," that scene with Oliver and Chloe in the church that starts through a stain-glassed window, zooms in on the cross and then ends with him poisoning the holy water? Seriously: JESUS CHRIST.
Ben: I don't know if you read any of the advance interviews with the producers outside of the CBR coverage, but did you see where they teased Chloe got to do something no other character did?
Kiel: No, I did not! The only thing I can think of she got was a good exit line that she nailed. Other than that, just Chloe.
Ben: She was the only character who got to refer to Clark as Superman.
Kiel: Oh, I guess so....No one said "Superman" at the end?
Ben: Nope. Only Chloe when she was reading the comic to her kid.

Kiel: Hm. Well, good for her i guess. You know what I DID read about in terms of who got to do what?
Ben: Do tell. I know it wasn't Tom Welling getting to dress as Superman after a decade of his life.
Kiel: HAHAHAHA. No, apparently, Schneider lobbied to be the one to give Clark the Superman suit...which leads me to ridiculous point two from part one: GHOST DAD!
Ben: Oh this is about to get so nasty. I'm glad I got my niceness out at the onset.
Kiel: Seriously, WTF? even for this show.
Ben: I was not as horribly offended by it as I take it you were. Thus I would like to hear why it rattled you so.
Kiel: I wasn't rattled by the return of his dad as a figure only he and his mom could see (though it was ridiculous that Clark didn't just tell his mom she was losing it seeing her dead husband everywhere...It was the shoe-horned in plotline that the whole ghost thing represented: "You can't move forward by abandoning your past, Clark!"
UGH.
Ben: Ok, yeah, that did bother me. Did Jonathan ever actually speak to Martha or did she only see him?
Kiel: She said that she saw him at least. She truly believed he was there with them reaching out to Clark from beyond the grave.
Ben: Because – and I need to go back to our archives here – wasn't a HUGE part of this season being character after character telling Clark he DID need to move forward and that it was ok to leave stuff in the past? Or was it always the idea that you didn't need to abandon your entire past to embrace your future? I feel like that was the huge, preachy sticking point of much of the season and I can't even remember the exact messaging of it. I just remember us discussing it a lot.
Kiel: EXACTLY!!!! It all comes out of nowhere! And the dialogue around him leaving the past behind was, again, Classic Smallville. This is the no subtext, hero specifying craziness that drags almost all populist sci-fi TV stuff down and this show in particular. I was really hoping for a fucking fight to break out at any minute to make things move in a fun, exciting way. Instead, the other main thread from the part one episode was the wedding, which I can only describe as Clois porn.

Ben: And this I believe may be where the Cool Kids Table Smallville Civil War finally breaks out as I was unabashedly in the tank for the sappy Lois & Clark (I will not use the term you just used) romantic stuff. Part of that may be because I have been watching this season with my wife – kudos to her for making it! – and that's the stuff that hooked her in the first place (the dancing in the barn scene), but also because I thought Tom Welling and Eric Durance delivered some of their finest work there in the first hour. Although I could have done without their mid-hour 180 where suddenly she was so into getting him back and suddenly he had jitters.
Kiel: Yeah, that was padding. Some epic padding, but padding.
Ben: But I did think they did a great job of selling this relationship and why it has endured so many years across so many mediums. Did you hate the door scene?
Kiel: Oh, man!
Ben: Aww.
Kiel: It wouldn't have been the worst thing ever, except A) a few of those lines were super groaners and B) They did the whole fucking thing a second time during the ceremony!
Ben: THAT irritated me.
Kiel: I thought they'd skip past ANOTHER voice over sessions with that shit, but woof. Just killed the entire thing. Time stopped it was such an awkward moment of TV.
Ben: There was so much to like though!
Kiel: Ah, it's like I've been saying this whole season: I just wanted to see shit get punched in this finale. I expected some of the romance stuff, but I'd prefer it as cute back-and-forth stuff. True soap opera romantics leave me cold quick.

Ben: Well, you're well aware I own the entire run of Melrose Place on DVD, so I know I'm not shocking you here. Here's why the door scene worked for me...because really when you look at it, the Superman-Lois Lane relationship does not NOT seem so meant to be on the surface. They don't have that much in common aside from being decent people. He's an alien super hero raised on a farm. She's a military brat made for the city.
There are a million reasons for them not to be together – and I'm drawing not just on Smallville here – from his responsibilities to her independence. Nobody is ever going to convince the two of them they belong together aside from each other, and in the door scene, they did. She convinced him that she was good for him, which was another running theme of the season. He convinced her that he needed her, which, see above. Yes, it was padded. Yes, it was sappy. Yes, I'm more inclined to dig shit like this. But there was a beauty in these two people reaffirming for one another why they are greater together than alone--and they are both great alone! And dumb and tiresome as it may have gotten, I loved the rotating camera shot.
Kiel: Well, I've said this, and I'll stick by it: this may be the best version of this romance ever put on screen. The two play off each other very well, and they bring a lot of good out of each other both in terms of what the characters are and their performances.
And this scene doesn't ruin that for me. But, again I'll be thinking of a lot of other episodes for the show for what I like in that other than the finale. That's kind of a shame. You want them to nail every aspect of it at the end. Ah well.
Ben: I think the abrupt split of the couple in the penultimate episode was, well, abrupt, and yeah, they seemed to have it together already earlier on, but I also will disagree somewhat and say that the Lois & Clark relationship became such a huge part of this show despite only flourishing really in the last two seasons that I do think it deserved a significant spot in the finale.
Kiel: I think it deserved a spot. I just thought they could have handled it with way less schmaltz.
Ben: Could they have balanced the soap opera and action better? Yeah, probably. But again, this show started as a drama, not so much a sci fi show, and this was a tribute to that. Overdone maybe – it didn't need the whole first half – but fitting to a point.
Kiel: And there was some padding both here and in the part two in a different way,
Ben: In an admission obviously tough for me to make, Chloe had a great moment/line and Alison Mack did an awesome job with it in convincing Lois that Clark can't be Superman 24/7 and it's unfair to expect him to be.
Kiel: Oh! Agreed. That Chloe stuff early was good I thought.
Ben: Yeah, I thought she was as good as she gets in that scene. And it was even better because Lois called her out on her dumb one-liners. I waited ten years for THAT.

Kiel: hee hee. But...there's one more piece of this first episode that HAS to be discussed. My topic three is this:
The saving of Oliver Queen, which had to ridiculous phases. Phase one: He takes out the Gold Kryptonite ring at the wedding, and when Chloe sees it and knocks if from his hands...no one just assumes that Chloe – who was in love with Clark for YEARS – is just freaking out and breaking up the wedding. Everyone there just goes, "Shit, the maide of honor hit the ring...run for you lives!!!!" Fucking mass pandemonium outside the church in Smallville.
Ben: Oh that was spectacularly bad. It may get the "So bad it's Smallville" pass from me though, the idea that nobody questions why they are being rushed out of the church while the bride, groom, best man and maid of honor remain. I need to cop to something before you continue, Kiel.
Kiel: Go.
Ben: When the Apokolips Three gave Green Arrow the Gold Kryptonite wring, I may or may not have gotten all giddy and screamed "Oh shit! Oh shit! They made a fucking ring out of Gold Kryptonite and that's how they're going to get Clark! That is so awful that I love it! Ahhhh!" And my wife may or may not have told me I'm an idiot. I'm not proud of this, but it may have happened.
Kiel: My first thought at that moment was "Is Smallville going to go for one more genre jump and do Lord of the Rings?" But, carry no shame in your excitement. I got excited in a different way during phase 2 of Olliver Queen's story...THE GREATEST "JUST BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AND LOVE" SPEECH OF ALL TIME.

Ben: Ahahahahahahahaha. I had to pause the DVR and explain to Megan how much you were dreading that before it started so she could appreciate the gravity of the moment!
Kiel: Like, I love this for being as bad as it was, because at least if they were going to meet the "Smallville" cliche for possessed characters, they were going to do it bigger than they ever did it before, and Jesus Clark Kent Superman driving the darkness out of Oliver Queen in a church definitely fit that bill 1,000%.
Ben: I assume you enjoyed the single black tear?
Kiel: Oh yeah, bro. There was no other way to end it at that point.
Ben: I am glad you got to have this moment in your life.

Kiel: Oooo! oooo! One more thing from part one! Why was only Tess Mercer's cell phone the only one on the planet affected by FUCKING APOKALIPS in the sky. Did they just not see it floating there before the ceremony started?
Ben: Well wasn't Tess seeing Apokolips from a satellite view, not just by looking up into the sky? Also, how shitty are Tess' friends that they didn't notice she wasn't at the wedding? Also also, how shitty are Emil Hamilton's friends that they didn't even invite him?
Kiel: 1 - I don't know. If it was as close to earth as the wide shots made it look, it'd be noticeable...but overall the logistics of how she could have this whole completely different story going on involving satellites and planets were out of control. 2 - I KNOW, RIGHT! Were Pete Ross' parents supposed to be in there at the end? I heard that but didn't notice anyone singled out.
Ben: I did not hear anything about that nor did I notice it.
Kiel: Or wait...his mom was dead or something in this I think. Intenetz.
Ben: I commented as we were watching that it would be nice if all those extra guests were crew members, but I certainly have no confirmation on that outside of me thinking it at that moment.
Kiel: Then I will assume it is true.

Ben: Granny Goodness' weird pronunciation of Apokolips: Like or dislike?
Kiel: I thought it was fine. The Darkseid people were as good as they've been this season, I thought from their two little scenes.
Ben: Shame they weren't used more.
Kiel: But really, overall for the first hour of the episode I had one thought that I tweeted with you in mind that you never saw...Part 1 of the finale is the true second-to-last episode. And it's every bit as awful as it's supposed to be.
Ben: Haha. Well, I didn't think it was THAT bad, but I can certainly see where it was not tailored to or well-constructed for folks like you who wanted an action-packed Superman finale. I certainly enjoyed the first part maybe more than it deserved to be enjoyed. But let's move on.
Kiel: Chapter the second: You go first with your thoughts. I feel like I've got to wash part one's blood off my hands for a minute.

Ben: Hmm, ok, where to start...I guess an appropriate place to pick up would be with the Luthors, given their absence from the bulk of the first half. I did think the amount of time not just Lionel or Lex or Tess got but that the story of their family got was nice since in the beginning this was a show as much about Lex Luthor as it was about Clark Kent, so that was a neat callback.
I think the writing of Earth-2 Lionel Luthor has been inconsistent at best this season, and as I've said, I think perhaps a lot of that has to do with the writers waffling on whether to just treat him like normal Lionel or play up that he's not, but to his eternal credit, John Glover has made it all work, and more than that, he remains one of the best parts of Smallville from start to finish. The idea that he had become this haunted, depraved, psychotic shell obsessed with restoring his son played into both incarnations of Lionel, as both failed with Lex and were aware of the potential they squandered.
Kiel: Yeah, he was great. Even at the end in Darkseid mode where he had the worst villain dialogue ever, he was genuinely spooky.

Ben: I liked the idea that the relationship between Lex and Lionel came full circle – though the may not be the most accurate way of describing it – over the course of the series as it began with Lionel banishing his son because he believed he wasn't ruthless enough and ended with him sacrificing everything to bring him back since he demonstrated exactly that ruthlessness by killing his own father. The arc of Lex and Lionel is about as close to Shakespeare as "Smallville" is gonna come, so it was appropriately handed to the two best actors on the show.
Kiel: Yeah, I thought part two worked so much better not just because that talent and their story was much more compelling to me, but I think having those actual, tangible antagonists for Clark made him take some kind of action in the show...even if part of it was a little non-sensical ultimately.
Ben: Right. The second part was the meat of the finale.
Kiel: The first half was all about the inner journey of Clark, which in this show means lots of dopey soliloquy. Luthors mean actual drama. Exactly.
Ben: You could argue they could have spaced it out better and mixed the sappy romance with the antagonistic action, but this way at least those who liked peanut butter could have as much as they wanted early on, and those who prefer jelly got their fill later.

Kiel: And hey...it didn't hurt that Rosenbaum IS pretty much the most talented actor of the shows many regulars.
Ben: As much as we praise Justin Hartley and Eric Durance – and they deserve it – or even give Tom Welling his kudos when he brings it, really none of them can hold a candle to the Luthors, Michael Rosenbaum in particular. It's amazing how much this show missed him and a credit to those who stuck around both behind and in front of the camera how much I didn't realize it until he returned. All that said, you could drive a jeep through the plot holes of the Luthor storyline. How did Lionel get a goon squad and scientists when he was thoroughly discredited by Tess and Lois? Why would Darkseid resurrect Lex when it proved in part his undoing? Did he need Lionel's body that badly? Why would Tess' heart be the best fit for the Franken-Lex body when every other part came from a Lex clone?
Kiel: Holy shit, man. And like I said, Lex's return really has NOTHING to do with the plot of the episode. That whole "I'm here to inspire you so I can defeat you later" thing was bonkers. I'm sure people are going nuts over that one and how it "isn't right for the characters."

Ben: How did Lionel not find Conner when he was being "hidden" in one of the very first places he should have looked with Martha? I thought Lex's motivation to help out Clark was fine in that Lex Luthor is always first and foremost concerned with safeguarding Lex Luthor, so it made sense he wouldn't want Darkseid to destroy Earth, but yeah, from a narrative flow standpoint that Clark-Lex scene was there just so we could have a Clark-Lex scene. Not that I minded!
Kiel: Me neither!
Ben: But man, for all the work he has done to improve as an actor, poor Tom Welling just gets outclassed ten times over when Michael Rosenbaum is standing across from him. And of course the "We're destined to be enemies" was a great bookend to the "We're destined to be friends" speech that kicked off the show.
Kiel: True dat.
Ben: And are we to assume Lex's parting "Clark Kent can't save the world, but we both know who can..." is meant to be "Go put on the fucking Superman suit"? I mean it has to be, right? It doesn't really make any sense, but the idea he was referring to anything else makes even less sense.
Kiel: No yeah, that line made zero sense in any other context except Lex being apre-cog or whatever. Try not to think about it.
Ben: You got it. I'll add it to the list. Of things not to think about from this episode/series.

Kiel: And honestly, I got the exact same feeling from Lex/Tess.
Ben: Poor poor Tess. She not only drew the straw we all expected Chloe to draw as far as the non-canon sacrifice, but all her supposed friends never found her and from what we saw never mourned her passing at all. I mean, sure, they probably felt bad at some point during that seven year gap, but still...pretty terrible send off.
Kiel: On the solo character terms, yes, it may have lacked a bit. But at the same time...a well played scene, Rosenbaum brought her game up a little too, and even though the end made no sense, I enjoyed watching it play out until the end. But man...Mindwipes and LexCorp. They really just said to themselves "Let's end scenes with fan service, ok?"
Ben: Oh yeah, I don't deny it was a good scene if you're just looking at the performances. It was cool to see them in a scene together and they both did a great job. I still do not understand the mechanics of the mindwipe we dreaded was coming and I don't gather many people do.
Kiel: Nope. They just decided it would be better to "Set up" the "classic Superman" if Lex didn't know.
Ben: Did she deliver it via that black tar on her gloves? Does he even remember his name is Lex Luthor? Will this make it even more difficult for him to reclaim his empire given he I guess didn't know he had an empire? They had a nice scene, but the lines about the mindwipe, with her explaining what she did and him asking how long and how it would work – dude, Oscar winners could not have made that work.
Kiel: Yeah, impossible.

Ben: Another admission: From what I've read/hear, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one, but yeah, I liked the "LexCorp" bit
It was dumb, but they got me.
Kiel: Yeah, that scratched my proper nerd itch fine.
Ben: To finish with Tess though, as we noted many times this season, Cassidy Freeman frequently did a lot with a little and that character's struggle for redemption became a more compelling story that I thought it would. For somebody who was only ever supposed to be the female Lex stand-in when she was conceived, there was mileage there. I felt genuinely bad for her in the end.
Kiel: I'm on "Team Freeman and Hartley get other shows" for sure.
Ben: The more I think about it, the callous send-off may have sucked to an extent, but it also may have been the most appropriate exit for the character. She was never not going to be a tragic figure, no matter how much she railed against it. And Lex reasserting himself as the sole Luthor standing was necessary.
Kiel: Yeah, no good way to phrase this, but I'm perfectly happy with that woman's death.
Ben: If there was a good way to phrase that, you certainly didn't find it.

Ben: Green Arrow's triumph over Granny, Desaad and Godfrey: How can one scene simultaneously be so cool and so wretched? It was great that Hartley got a bad ass final bit and I loved the donning of the costume and getting the drop on the bad guys. Their shock at him showing up free and clear minded was great. But I will let the nerd in me run rampant here and ask how the fuck did Green Arrow kill three New Gods with a Contra-style triple shot arrow?! At least if he had gotten the Bow of Orion last week it would have made some sense, but those were just normal arrows, yeah?
Kiel: Man, when they embraced the real obvious Jesus metaphor, all chances for Apokalypse to be bad ass on its own terms went out the window. Just boilerplate "we are evil and dark" lines from all of them and Lionel and Darkseid himself for that one bit.
I thought the arrows had some significance, but it wasn't explained. They just presented them as arrows with bad ass tips.
Ben: AND THE FUCKING VOICE MASK BULLSHIT! THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF YOUR SECRET IDENTITY, OLLIE! Justin Hartley had some cool last lines that got RUINED by that stupid thing.
Kiel: Maybe the arrows were infused with the power of Clark's inspiration, and the secrets of Ollie's mask voice, AND the repeating of the phrase "heroes" 453 times? Or...phrases involving the word "heroes." The wold needs them, Ben...but maybe they're not meant to love.

Ben: Hold onto Smallville, Kiel! Hey, you know what I liked IN SPITE of its ridiculousness? Pretty much every bit of Lois Lane on the President's airplane. Great performance by Eric Durance. That felt like everything Lois is supposed to be, "It would never work" distraction of the security guard included. Her speech was terribly corny, but she made it at least half work.
Kiel: Yeah, it was a real Lois Laney moment. Fun use of a new set that didn't feel cheesy. Thumbs up.

Ben: I guess...we're at Clark vs Darkseid, yeah?
Kiel: Yeah. And this is the first example of part two's ridiculous padding: The Super-Montage! Someone has to have timed this by now, but is sure felt like about 4 minutes from each season of the fucking show, man. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.
Ben: The montage is an absolutely crucial part to any finale of a show like this in my mind, but this one would not have been handled worse. Not only was it far far too long, but it was impossible to make out which clips we were seeing half the time. I would have loved a nice trip down memory lane, but I would have liked it to not only be shorter and more clear, but to also have been a more accurate representation of the series. Give what a wild and all over the place decade this show has had, they could have done something really cool and crazy rather than just showing Clark getting thrown around by explosions and catching cars a lot.
Kiel: Yeah!
Ben: We should have seen Lana, Lex, Lionel, Kara, Ollie, Flash, Aquaman, the JSA, the Legion, Zatanna, Cyborg, every villains, every hero, etc. They should have gone to the well and pulled up clips of every nobody they had playing a freak of the week who broke out huge from Amy Adams to Ian Somerhalder.
Kiel: The only moment that really stood out to me was when Clark saved Lana in the truck during the Tornado, which was a pretty significant episode I recall. There were big moments over the years they could have been referencing here that would have given some more emotional impact than "So these were my trials?"
Ben: I think the best montage ever was the "Previously On" from before the fifth season finale of Buffy. They literally cycled through EVERY significant moment and guest star, just speeding things up as they went so by the time they were at the end the pace was flying. And then she killed a vampire in an alley in a moment not at all connected to what was going on at the time, but because it was how the show started. That's what I wanted for "Smallville": Some sequence that acknowledged what an insane trip it has been with a nice little homage to the simplest days and then we go fight Darkseid. So yeah, letdown.

Kiel: I will say this, though. When he came out of the Montage and was floating...that was the first "payoff moment" I think they tried to hit and probably the best one in the episode.
Ben: I agree 100%.
Kiel: It put you right back in the moment of the fight, made you go "Oh shit!" and Welling looked significantly bad ass. Good jorb!
Ben: That was one of the moments I mentioned that had me cheering audibly. That was Tom Welling's finest moment. He took ten years of character development that could be excruciating at times and distilled it down into simply an expression that said "Yeah, I've been waiting for this as much as you have." When he FINALLY flew for the first time, it totally felt important, and I didn't think it was at all cheapened by all the "cheat" flight moments like when he was possessed by Kryptonite or in the Matrix. That moment was worth it.
Kiel: Could have used a little more fight afterwards, but yeah...that's a little gripe here. Overall it slayed.

Ben: They convinced me they made the right decision holding fast on "no flight, no tights" through the end. Did you feel like he beat Darkseid too easily? I assume you wanted a bit more of a fight scene there. I did. I mean, on the larger scale I get that the physical victory over Lionel/Darkseid wasn't the point and defeating Darkseid as a concept is both impossible and more important, but I still wanted more punching.
Kiel: Yeah, I did. But I would have been better with it if we would have gotten some actual quality time of Welling in suit, which we did not...AT ALL.
Ben: Yeah...yeah.

Kiel: I mean, I don't think the saving the plane was bad or the whole action sequence could have been done like an actual Superman movie, but when they'd go to mega-extreme close up of him and then just have a bit of super fake cape floating over his shoulder, I'd go "COME ON!" My one major complaint against the whole finale: They could have just stretched that Routh shirt over him and shot him from the waste up. That should have been the #1 picture on the nerd internet the next day. The real payoff image of the show, and it just never materialized. And like I was saying earlier about the episode: Not nailing that final image doesn't ruin the show for me or really let me down, because I've enjoyed a lot of this show over the years. But it was a miss. Total miss.
Ben: I felt equal parts frustrated we didn't get to see it and bad for Tom Welling that after ten years of doing this he didn't get to have that moment.
Kiel: OH YEAH.
Ben: Part of me feels like I'd maybe feel better if we found out the reasoning was he vocally did not want to wear the suit or something...but nah, not even then
Kiel: They knew what people expected. Tom in the suit. I can't imagine what would have made that impossible.
Ben: You know what else I wanted to get? At least a couple line of Welling doing a "Superman" voice. Christopher Reeve and even Brandon Routh did a great job creating a distinctive voice for when they were in costume as opposed to playing Clark and I wanted to hear how he'd do it. But that pales in comparison to the disappointment of not seeing him in the suit. Yeah, I agree, it's inexcusable.
I still love that he just threw Apokolips into space though. It sucked it was CGI, it made very little sense, and it was the same ending as "Superman Returns," but it was another instance where it was so ridiculous that I loved it, ala the Gold Kryptonite ring. I'm a little baffled people seem to be confused that Superman saving the day erased the Omega symbols because inspiration was the anti-Anti-Life. Yeah, it's an even worse version of bad comic book logic, but at the least I thought the show laid it out pretty explicitly.

Kiel: Yeah. I had no problem with the theory for how this episode ended it. Even the stuff we guessed (Lionel as Darkseid, "Love and trust" saving Ollie) were fine in their execution. It was just the big moment at the end wasn't pulled off by this show and its constraints. I really liked the last Daily Planet scene, though! Real Jimmy, the voice of Michael McKean as Perry, some nice Lois and Clarks stuff...and the last image was the best one of Welling as Clark in the how and the music ending with the credits being Donner-style. All positives! It was just that middle where they fumbled hard.
Ben: Was that the voice of Michael McKean? I had no idea. That's great. And I really wish Aaron Ashmore had not been in the credits because that was great too. And yeah, if you can find fault in the way it all ended with the Williams score, the slow mo shot and Welling doing the S-shield reveal...well, maybe you could argue that it was too far abroad from where Smallville started, but that would be a silly argument. It was a great finish.
Kiel: Agreed.

Ben: Megan actually put forward an interesting theory: Since Lex got the total mindwipe, is it possible that he ended up being a good guy and his being elected President was actually the culmination of that rather than an evil scheme?
He was wearing all white.
Kiel: Ha!
Ben: She backed it up with the fact that the show paid so much lip service to being raised a Luthor tainted you and how he technically would not have been now.
Kiel: I don't know. I think he was wearing white back in the day when he saw the future thanks to the blind lady from "Road to Avonlea" and in that flash forward he killed fields of flowers with a single touch of his gloved hand.

Ben: It's something to ponder though. I a world where Lois Lane knew Clark Kent was an alien well before he was Superman or they got married and where Green Arrow has a kid with Clark's high school buddy, nothing is impossible. Of course that was not her first reaction to the finale scene. That would be: "They couldn't reschedule the wedding for seven years?!"
Kiel: That church in Smallville had to replace its baptismal fount and wasn't doing bookings for a while!
Ben: Ha! I noted the whole "He needs to go stop a crime in the middle of this scene" thing may have been a microcosm of why it took them so long, but I like yours better. Y'know, I also had a though re: our complaint that they should have done nerdy Clark a season or two earlier. I realized in their defense that until Lois and pretty much everybody else in the main cast knew his secret, they couldn't do that because they'd all be wondering why the fuck he was suddenly acting like that. Granted it shouldn't work period because at the very least everybody who works with him at the Daily Planet knows he's not a nerdy klutz, but such is the slippery slope of "Smallville."
Kiel: Yeah...I don't know.

Ben: Speaking of which, and continuing on with good things about the last scene, the semi-tease with the "Ms. Lane" bit and then the immediate confirmation that Lois did NOT get mindwiped--which was the major thing I didn't want to happen in this episode--was a nother thing I liked.
Kiel: Oh, I see that. But beyond my general thoughts on this episode, I don't feel like there's much to say. I thought I might have some grand final feeling after doing this all year, but there's not much left. It was a fun show. I'm glad I watched a lot of it.
Ben: I would love at some point to re watch at least the first couple episodes at some point to confirm how crazy the transformation of this show was. Say what you will about it, but it survived for a decade by adapting and still kept something familiar enough at the core that they were able to circle back to things that mattered in the beginning in their finale over 200 episodes later. That is something.
Kiel: Yeah, it changed a lot. I'm really curious to see if it ends up with a rerun life and whether or not people will remember it as much as some other pieces of nerd culture. I mean, it was never as broadly popular as things like The X-Files, but it certainly outlived a bunch of that other stuff.
Ben: I think as two people who at least experienced parts of the prior ten years, we definitely had an interesting window into this show. People who picked it up only with the last season or only when the DC characters started showing up may never fully appreciate just how nuts and impressive it is that this show did what it did. But my true final thought?
Kiel: Go for it!
Ben: I hope Sam Jones III got some royalties from his likeness as Pete Ross appearing in that "Smallville" comic Chloe was reading to her kid. He needs them now more than ever. And that it was truly a great experience doing these with you buddy! In all sincerity, I can't believe and am impressed by us that we made it through the whole season without missing an episode!
Kiel: I think someone from the show will slip him an extra pack of cigarettes to use as currency. I'm in shock we stuck with it this long!
Ben: But we did! Maybe Kristen Kreuk can take time out of her busy schedule.
Kiel: And I've got to say, I'm a little bummed Wonder Woman didn't get picked up because there's no obvious place for us to take this format next.
Ben: We can and will find some way to pick this up in the Fall. There will surely be something. And now we can truly say...SAYONARA, SMALLVILLE!
Kiel: HOORAY!
We've been off as it's been off, but to celebrate its final year, we're teaming up our collective powers of dumb DCU trivia, long experience watching and writing about the show and general obsession with serial TV to bring you "Sayonara, Smallville" – a semi-regular feature where we'll review the most notable episodes of the season whenever we can. Everyone is invited to play along.
And of course, catch up with all our previous "Sayonara, Smallville" review chats covering every episode of the tenth and final season so far: Lazarus, Shield, Supergirl, Homecoming, Isis, Harvest, Ambush, Abandoned, Patriot, Luthor, Icarus, Collateral, Beacon, Masquerade, Fortune, Scion, Kent, Booster, Dominion and Prophecy.

Ben: Ok, before we get into this, I need to get an opening thought out there.
Kiel: Go!
Ben: I enjoyed watching this finale. There were moments where I am not ashamed to say I honestly audibly cheered. Were there also moments that I mentally tagged immediately as being not just "Smallville" bad but bad? Yes. Was I a bit loopy and sleep-deprived from my trip to Washington DC? Yes. But well I'm fully aware that even as soon as a few minutes from now when we actually dig in an analyze I will find much to criticize about this episode, I felt Smallville deserved me saying that in the moment of watching it, I enjoyed its finale. On that level if nothing else, it was a success in my mind. I would also like to pat myself on the back for successfully avoiding spoilers for nearly 48 hours.
Kiel: Go you! Here's the best thing I've seen said about the finale: "It was better than Lois & Clark" which Ivan Cohen said on Facebook. I laughed, but there's something to that. This show went ten years and stayed consistently up on fun stuff. I think there's a LOT lacking in the finale, but it doesn't drag the whole show down for me.
Ben: Good call by Ivan. To be fair to "Lois & Clark" though, "Smallville" really did get to go out on its own terms. They knew for quite some time this was going to be their last season and were able to get all their ducks in a row. They also ran far longer than I think many people who worked on the show expected and I doubt there are many ideas – I'm sure there are some – they didn't get to.
Kiel: For sure, but just as being a solid overall Superman project, I dig it. But man.This last episode was epically "Smallville" in every sense of the word.
Ben: Oh absolutely, but I've seen quite a few complaints around the 'net about the finale specifically and the show in general about how a big issue was that they "didn't get Superman right." By that I mean people weren't happy because Tom Welling's Clark Kent doesn't match up with their ideal of Superman from the comics and from other TV/movie portrayals. I see a point there somewhere, but mostly I think that's bunk.
This is a show about Superman, but it also isn't. When you create a TV show or movie about an existing character, yes you are taking on some burden of adhering to that character as they exist, but there is a sliding scale there. I expect a Superman movie (or an Iron Man movie or Batman movie) to at least have some tonal shared ground with the source material. But this is a show that started out as a full-on teen drama on The WB. It was about a kid named Clark Kent and his journey, not a straight-up adaptation of the origin of Superman.
For folks used to reading about a multiverse, I think you need to get a bit more onboard that this isn't "your" Superman and it's ok if they zigged where the classics zagged.
If you found the character unlikable, the stories ridiculous or the show bad for any number of valid reasons, I get that, but if you main bone of contention was that they "got Superman wrong," I just have to disagree with you. This show was never about getting Superman "right." Superman was a launch point more than a guide.
Kiel: I mean, I think this: Adam West and Batman and Christian Bale as Batman are both equally "Batman." They're representations of what that character is, point blank. Same respect, "Smallville" is as much Superman as Chris Reeve or Brandon Routh or Tim Daly as drawn by Bruce Timm or whatever. This is a Superman show whether it hit a few style points on person may dig over another.
But it has a lot of its own ridiculous properties by virtue of being, yeah, a WB teen drama too.
Ben: Well put as always my friend. And I say all this with the weight of irony knowing we will surely be bagging on how they got the New Gods "wrong" in just a bit being well known to me.
Kiel: HAHAHAHAHA!
Ben: We are comic fans. This is what we do.
Kiel: However...before that...

In terms of looking at this finale as just the finale, I think we've got to really look at it as two big episodes. Because aside from having different writers, the two halves of this are totally different stories almost.
Ben: They absolutely are, though I have to say had they not put in the credits and whatnot at the beginning, I would not have necessarily latched on to "Oh, there was the halfway point." It did have a decent transition from one to the next. It's another one of those things that's more obvious when you think about it, but it didn't jump out at me in the moment.
Kiel: The transition out of part one was, BY FAR the best part of part one.
Ben: Oh I have a different opinion I think, but I'll save it.

Kiel: OK, so let's start with the flashforward frame. My question on Twitter was "Is that Gary Frank?" And it was, wasn't it?
Ben: It was.
Kiel: Well, that's nice. Otherwise, that scene didn't do much for me one way or the other.
Ben: And in two of who knows how many hat tips I'll be giving to our contemporaries Chris Sims and David Uzumeri from Comics Alliance, apparently DC books are still $2.99 in seven years and also Superman functions in a universe where there is a comic book telling his life story.
Kiel: But that's just it! I couldn't even pay attention to the price stuff or whatever, because from moment 1, I was going, "So wait...does the world know he's Superman in seven years, or did Chloe just get this one comic made to read to her and Oliver's child?"
Ben: Yeah, it's a pretty HUGE gaping logic hole they're asking you to ignore right off the bat for the sake of a cutesy framing sequence.
Kiel: Like I said, Classic Smallville.
Ben: You know what the scene actually reminded me of? The opening of the original Richard Donner Superman movie with the cover to Action Comics and the kid narrating.
Kiel: Yeah, I got that too...just not quite nailing it there placing it so in world maybe...I dunno.
Ben: Not sure if that was intentional--knowing how much the people who make Smallville dig the Donner movies it could have been--but that was the neatest part of that scene for me. I feel like it could have been a case of them thinking "Oh, this worked in the Donner movie..." but not thinking about implications, i.e. how it was never mentioned again in the movie whereas they had to come back to it later. Did it bug you that we kinda knew Chloe was safe from minute one since she seemed a potential casualty or no?
Kiel: I don't know. I don't think I would have liked the exact opposite track where they make it look like she'll die the whole episode.
Ben: Yeah.

Kiel: And I'll say this: I am very curious to hear what you think about how Chloe went ouf of this show. I think she had the best moment of any regular cast member outside of the big three. Did you still hate her when she said "See you in the funny pages"? COULD YOU?
Ben: First of all, yes, I absolutely could, can and do. But second, I was a bit surprised at how small her role was in the finale overall, regardless of the fact that she got some crucial stuff to do. Aside from Clark, she was really the spine of the series, moreso even than Lex, so I expected her to be around more, but I imagine that had more to do with the fact that Alison Mack had a limited shooting schedule (why, I don't know). I'm not saying I WANTED her in it more, but Rao help me (yep, went there), it almost felt wrong that she wasn't.
But the scene Chloe exited on (aside from the final flash forward) and she got the hug with Clark, goodbye with Ollie and then weird slow-mo and strange look on her face, I took it to mean she was going to have some crazy, unexpected role to play (like, I dunno, she's Highfather or something), but I think it was really just the show's way of saying goodbye to Alison Mack and vice versa. But I need to hear more about why you loved this exit line so much.
Kiel: I guess the exit line was just a cute phrase you'd expect out of the spunky reporter gal that's friends with Clark Kent. It was a fun moment in a finale that had a LOT of super insanely serious ones.
Ben; OK, I will give you that. I will give you your simple pleasures, Kiel Phegley!
Kiel: Damn right, you will! But yeah, I thought she would have had a more central role than, say, the Kents, but I see why not. In some respects they way more embraced the Superman mythological elements throughout this thing than they did the elements of "Smallville" itself.
Ben: Though if you were playing a drinking game revolving around how many times the word "Smallville" was used, you'd be in the hospital or dead.

Kiel: And when I say, "they embraced the mythology" what I mean is "they turned that Superman stuff into an obvious beyond obvious Jesus metaphor."
Ben: Around the time he first flew, Megan commented "So Superman is a pretty obvious Jesus metaphor, huh?"
Kiel: Oh man! They were working it so much earlier than that. Beyond the constant references him to being either a "savior" or "a light to the world," that scene with Oliver and Chloe in the church that starts through a stain-glassed window, zooms in on the cross and then ends with him poisoning the holy water? Seriously: JESUS CHRIST.
Ben: I don't know if you read any of the advance interviews with the producers outside of the CBR coverage, but did you see where they teased Chloe got to do something no other character did?
Kiel: No, I did not! The only thing I can think of she got was a good exit line that she nailed. Other than that, just Chloe.
Ben: She was the only character who got to refer to Clark as Superman.
Kiel: Oh, I guess so....No one said "Superman" at the end?
Ben: Nope. Only Chloe when she was reading the comic to her kid.

Kiel: Hm. Well, good for her i guess. You know what I DID read about in terms of who got to do what?
Ben: Do tell. I know it wasn't Tom Welling getting to dress as Superman after a decade of his life.
Kiel: HAHAHAHA. No, apparently, Schneider lobbied to be the one to give Clark the Superman suit...which leads me to ridiculous point two from part one: GHOST DAD!
Ben: Oh this is about to get so nasty. I'm glad I got my niceness out at the onset.

Ben: I was not as horribly offended by it as I take it you were. Thus I would like to hear why it rattled you so.
Kiel: I wasn't rattled by the return of his dad as a figure only he and his mom could see (though it was ridiculous that Clark didn't just tell his mom she was losing it seeing her dead husband everywhere...It was the shoe-horned in plotline that the whole ghost thing represented: "You can't move forward by abandoning your past, Clark!"
UGH.
Ben: Ok, yeah, that did bother me. Did Jonathan ever actually speak to Martha or did she only see him?
Kiel: She said that she saw him at least. She truly believed he was there with them reaching out to Clark from beyond the grave.
Ben: Because – and I need to go back to our archives here – wasn't a HUGE part of this season being character after character telling Clark he DID need to move forward and that it was ok to leave stuff in the past? Or was it always the idea that you didn't need to abandon your entire past to embrace your future? I feel like that was the huge, preachy sticking point of much of the season and I can't even remember the exact messaging of it. I just remember us discussing it a lot.
Kiel: EXACTLY!!!! It all comes out of nowhere! And the dialogue around him leaving the past behind was, again, Classic Smallville. This is the no subtext, hero specifying craziness that drags almost all populist sci-fi TV stuff down and this show in particular. I was really hoping for a fucking fight to break out at any minute to make things move in a fun, exciting way. Instead, the other main thread from the part one episode was the wedding, which I can only describe as Clois porn.

Ben: And this I believe may be where the Cool Kids Table Smallville Civil War finally breaks out as I was unabashedly in the tank for the sappy Lois & Clark (I will not use the term you just used) romantic stuff. Part of that may be because I have been watching this season with my wife – kudos to her for making it! – and that's the stuff that hooked her in the first place (the dancing in the barn scene), but also because I thought Tom Welling and Eric Durance delivered some of their finest work there in the first hour. Although I could have done without their mid-hour 180 where suddenly she was so into getting him back and suddenly he had jitters.
Kiel: Yeah, that was padding. Some epic padding, but padding.
Ben: But I did think they did a great job of selling this relationship and why it has endured so many years across so many mediums. Did you hate the door scene?
Kiel: Oh, man!
Ben: Aww.
Kiel: It wouldn't have been the worst thing ever, except A) a few of those lines were super groaners and B) They did the whole fucking thing a second time during the ceremony!
Ben: THAT irritated me.
Kiel: I thought they'd skip past ANOTHER voice over sessions with that shit, but woof. Just killed the entire thing. Time stopped it was such an awkward moment of TV.
Ben: There was so much to like though!
Kiel: Ah, it's like I've been saying this whole season: I just wanted to see shit get punched in this finale. I expected some of the romance stuff, but I'd prefer it as cute back-and-forth stuff. True soap opera romantics leave me cold quick.

Ben: Well, you're well aware I own the entire run of Melrose Place on DVD, so I know I'm not shocking you here. Here's why the door scene worked for me...because really when you look at it, the Superman-Lois Lane relationship does not NOT seem so meant to be on the surface. They don't have that much in common aside from being decent people. He's an alien super hero raised on a farm. She's a military brat made for the city.
There are a million reasons for them not to be together – and I'm drawing not just on Smallville here – from his responsibilities to her independence. Nobody is ever going to convince the two of them they belong together aside from each other, and in the door scene, they did. She convinced him that she was good for him, which was another running theme of the season. He convinced her that he needed her, which, see above. Yes, it was padded. Yes, it was sappy. Yes, I'm more inclined to dig shit like this. But there was a beauty in these two people reaffirming for one another why they are greater together than alone--and they are both great alone! And dumb and tiresome as it may have gotten, I loved the rotating camera shot.
Kiel: Well, I've said this, and I'll stick by it: this may be the best version of this romance ever put on screen. The two play off each other very well, and they bring a lot of good out of each other both in terms of what the characters are and their performances.
And this scene doesn't ruin that for me. But, again I'll be thinking of a lot of other episodes for the show for what I like in that other than the finale. That's kind of a shame. You want them to nail every aspect of it at the end. Ah well.
Ben: I think the abrupt split of the couple in the penultimate episode was, well, abrupt, and yeah, they seemed to have it together already earlier on, but I also will disagree somewhat and say that the Lois & Clark relationship became such a huge part of this show despite only flourishing really in the last two seasons that I do think it deserved a significant spot in the finale.
Kiel: I think it deserved a spot. I just thought they could have handled it with way less schmaltz.
Ben: Could they have balanced the soap opera and action better? Yeah, probably. But again, this show started as a drama, not so much a sci fi show, and this was a tribute to that. Overdone maybe – it didn't need the whole first half – but fitting to a point.
Kiel: And there was some padding both here and in the part two in a different way,
Ben: In an admission obviously tough for me to make, Chloe had a great moment/line and Alison Mack did an awesome job with it in convincing Lois that Clark can't be Superman 24/7 and it's unfair to expect him to be.
Kiel: Oh! Agreed. That Chloe stuff early was good I thought.
Ben: Yeah, I thought she was as good as she gets in that scene. And it was even better because Lois called her out on her dumb one-liners. I waited ten years for THAT.

Kiel: hee hee. But...there's one more piece of this first episode that HAS to be discussed. My topic three is this:
The saving of Oliver Queen, which had to ridiculous phases. Phase one: He takes out the Gold Kryptonite ring at the wedding, and when Chloe sees it and knocks if from his hands...no one just assumes that Chloe – who was in love with Clark for YEARS – is just freaking out and breaking up the wedding. Everyone there just goes, "Shit, the maide of honor hit the ring...run for you lives!!!!" Fucking mass pandemonium outside the church in Smallville.
Ben: Oh that was spectacularly bad. It may get the "So bad it's Smallville" pass from me though, the idea that nobody questions why they are being rushed out of the church while the bride, groom, best man and maid of honor remain. I need to cop to something before you continue, Kiel.
Kiel: Go.
Ben: When the Apokolips Three gave Green Arrow the Gold Kryptonite wring, I may or may not have gotten all giddy and screamed "Oh shit! Oh shit! They made a fucking ring out of Gold Kryptonite and that's how they're going to get Clark! That is so awful that I love it! Ahhhh!" And my wife may or may not have told me I'm an idiot. I'm not proud of this, but it may have happened.
Kiel: My first thought at that moment was "Is Smallville going to go for one more genre jump and do Lord of the Rings?" But, carry no shame in your excitement. I got excited in a different way during phase 2 of Olliver Queen's story...THE GREATEST "JUST BELIEVE IN YOURSELF AND LOVE" SPEECH OF ALL TIME.

Ben: Ahahahahahahahaha. I had to pause the DVR and explain to Megan how much you were dreading that before it started so she could appreciate the gravity of the moment!
Kiel: Like, I love this for being as bad as it was, because at least if they were going to meet the "Smallville" cliche for possessed characters, they were going to do it bigger than they ever did it before, and Jesus Clark Kent Superman driving the darkness out of Oliver Queen in a church definitely fit that bill 1,000%.
Ben: I assume you enjoyed the single black tear?
Kiel: Oh yeah, bro. There was no other way to end it at that point.
Ben: I am glad you got to have this moment in your life.

Kiel: Oooo! oooo! One more thing from part one! Why was only Tess Mercer's cell phone the only one on the planet affected by FUCKING APOKALIPS in the sky. Did they just not see it floating there before the ceremony started?
Ben: Well wasn't Tess seeing Apokolips from a satellite view, not just by looking up into the sky? Also, how shitty are Tess' friends that they didn't notice she wasn't at the wedding? Also also, how shitty are Emil Hamilton's friends that they didn't even invite him?
Kiel: 1 - I don't know. If it was as close to earth as the wide shots made it look, it'd be noticeable...but overall the logistics of how she could have this whole completely different story going on involving satellites and planets were out of control. 2 - I KNOW, RIGHT! Were Pete Ross' parents supposed to be in there at the end? I heard that but didn't notice anyone singled out.
Ben: I did not hear anything about that nor did I notice it.
Kiel: Or wait...his mom was dead or something in this I think. Intenetz.
Ben: I commented as we were watching that it would be nice if all those extra guests were crew members, but I certainly have no confirmation on that outside of me thinking it at that moment.
Kiel: Then I will assume it is true.

Ben: Granny Goodness' weird pronunciation of Apokolips: Like or dislike?
Kiel: I thought it was fine. The Darkseid people were as good as they've been this season, I thought from their two little scenes.
Ben: Shame they weren't used more.
Kiel: But really, overall for the first hour of the episode I had one thought that I tweeted with you in mind that you never saw...Part 1 of the finale is the true second-to-last episode. And it's every bit as awful as it's supposed to be.
Ben: Haha. Well, I didn't think it was THAT bad, but I can certainly see where it was not tailored to or well-constructed for folks like you who wanted an action-packed Superman finale. I certainly enjoyed the first part maybe more than it deserved to be enjoyed. But let's move on.
Kiel: Chapter the second: You go first with your thoughts. I feel like I've got to wash part one's blood off my hands for a minute.

Ben: Hmm, ok, where to start...I guess an appropriate place to pick up would be with the Luthors, given their absence from the bulk of the first half. I did think the amount of time not just Lionel or Lex or Tess got but that the story of their family got was nice since in the beginning this was a show as much about Lex Luthor as it was about Clark Kent, so that was a neat callback.
I think the writing of Earth-2 Lionel Luthor has been inconsistent at best this season, and as I've said, I think perhaps a lot of that has to do with the writers waffling on whether to just treat him like normal Lionel or play up that he's not, but to his eternal credit, John Glover has made it all work, and more than that, he remains one of the best parts of Smallville from start to finish. The idea that he had become this haunted, depraved, psychotic shell obsessed with restoring his son played into both incarnations of Lionel, as both failed with Lex and were aware of the potential they squandered.
Kiel: Yeah, he was great. Even at the end in Darkseid mode where he had the worst villain dialogue ever, he was genuinely spooky.

Ben: I liked the idea that the relationship between Lex and Lionel came full circle – though the may not be the most accurate way of describing it – over the course of the series as it began with Lionel banishing his son because he believed he wasn't ruthless enough and ended with him sacrificing everything to bring him back since he demonstrated exactly that ruthlessness by killing his own father. The arc of Lex and Lionel is about as close to Shakespeare as "Smallville" is gonna come, so it was appropriately handed to the two best actors on the show.
Kiel: Yeah, I thought part two worked so much better not just because that talent and their story was much more compelling to me, but I think having those actual, tangible antagonists for Clark made him take some kind of action in the show...even if part of it was a little non-sensical ultimately.
Ben: Right. The second part was the meat of the finale.
Kiel: The first half was all about the inner journey of Clark, which in this show means lots of dopey soliloquy. Luthors mean actual drama. Exactly.
Ben: You could argue they could have spaced it out better and mixed the sappy romance with the antagonistic action, but this way at least those who liked peanut butter could have as much as they wanted early on, and those who prefer jelly got their fill later.

Kiel: And hey...it didn't hurt that Rosenbaum IS pretty much the most talented actor of the shows many regulars.
Ben: As much as we praise Justin Hartley and Eric Durance – and they deserve it – or even give Tom Welling his kudos when he brings it, really none of them can hold a candle to the Luthors, Michael Rosenbaum in particular. It's amazing how much this show missed him and a credit to those who stuck around both behind and in front of the camera how much I didn't realize it until he returned. All that said, you could drive a jeep through the plot holes of the Luthor storyline. How did Lionel get a goon squad and scientists when he was thoroughly discredited by Tess and Lois? Why would Darkseid resurrect Lex when it proved in part his undoing? Did he need Lionel's body that badly? Why would Tess' heart be the best fit for the Franken-Lex body when every other part came from a Lex clone?
Kiel: Holy shit, man. And like I said, Lex's return really has NOTHING to do with the plot of the episode. That whole "I'm here to inspire you so I can defeat you later" thing was bonkers. I'm sure people are going nuts over that one and how it "isn't right for the characters."

Ben: How did Lionel not find Conner when he was being "hidden" in one of the very first places he should have looked with Martha? I thought Lex's motivation to help out Clark was fine in that Lex Luthor is always first and foremost concerned with safeguarding Lex Luthor, so it made sense he wouldn't want Darkseid to destroy Earth, but yeah, from a narrative flow standpoint that Clark-Lex scene was there just so we could have a Clark-Lex scene. Not that I minded!
Kiel: Me neither!
Ben: But man, for all the work he has done to improve as an actor, poor Tom Welling just gets outclassed ten times over when Michael Rosenbaum is standing across from him. And of course the "We're destined to be enemies" was a great bookend to the "We're destined to be friends" speech that kicked off the show.
Kiel: True dat.
Ben: And are we to assume Lex's parting "Clark Kent can't save the world, but we both know who can..." is meant to be "Go put on the fucking Superman suit"? I mean it has to be, right? It doesn't really make any sense, but the idea he was referring to anything else makes even less sense.
Kiel: No yeah, that line made zero sense in any other context except Lex being apre-cog or whatever. Try not to think about it.
Ben: You got it. I'll add it to the list. Of things not to think about from this episode/series.

Kiel: And honestly, I got the exact same feeling from Lex/Tess.
Ben: Poor poor Tess. She not only drew the straw we all expected Chloe to draw as far as the non-canon sacrifice, but all her supposed friends never found her and from what we saw never mourned her passing at all. I mean, sure, they probably felt bad at some point during that seven year gap, but still...pretty terrible send off.
Kiel: On the solo character terms, yes, it may have lacked a bit. But at the same time...a well played scene, Rosenbaum brought her game up a little too, and even though the end made no sense, I enjoyed watching it play out until the end. But man...Mindwipes and LexCorp. They really just said to themselves "Let's end scenes with fan service, ok?"
Ben: Oh yeah, I don't deny it was a good scene if you're just looking at the performances. It was cool to see them in a scene together and they both did a great job. I still do not understand the mechanics of the mindwipe we dreaded was coming and I don't gather many people do.
Kiel: Nope. They just decided it would be better to "Set up" the "classic Superman" if Lex didn't know.
Ben: Did she deliver it via that black tar on her gloves? Does he even remember his name is Lex Luthor? Will this make it even more difficult for him to reclaim his empire given he I guess didn't know he had an empire? They had a nice scene, but the lines about the mindwipe, with her explaining what she did and him asking how long and how it would work – dude, Oscar winners could not have made that work.
Kiel: Yeah, impossible.

Ben: Another admission: From what I've read/hear, I'm pretty sure I'm the only one, but yeah, I liked the "LexCorp" bit
It was dumb, but they got me.
Kiel: Yeah, that scratched my proper nerd itch fine.
Ben: To finish with Tess though, as we noted many times this season, Cassidy Freeman frequently did a lot with a little and that character's struggle for redemption became a more compelling story that I thought it would. For somebody who was only ever supposed to be the female Lex stand-in when she was conceived, there was mileage there. I felt genuinely bad for her in the end.
Kiel: I'm on "Team Freeman and Hartley get other shows" for sure.
Ben: The more I think about it, the callous send-off may have sucked to an extent, but it also may have been the most appropriate exit for the character. She was never not going to be a tragic figure, no matter how much she railed against it. And Lex reasserting himself as the sole Luthor standing was necessary.
Kiel: Yeah, no good way to phrase this, but I'm perfectly happy with that woman's death.
Ben: If there was a good way to phrase that, you certainly didn't find it.

Ben: Green Arrow's triumph over Granny, Desaad and Godfrey: How can one scene simultaneously be so cool and so wretched? It was great that Hartley got a bad ass final bit and I loved the donning of the costume and getting the drop on the bad guys. Their shock at him showing up free and clear minded was great. But I will let the nerd in me run rampant here and ask how the fuck did Green Arrow kill three New Gods with a Contra-style triple shot arrow?! At least if he had gotten the Bow of Orion last week it would have made some sense, but those were just normal arrows, yeah?
Kiel: Man, when they embraced the real obvious Jesus metaphor, all chances for Apokalypse to be bad ass on its own terms went out the window. Just boilerplate "we are evil and dark" lines from all of them and Lionel and Darkseid himself for that one bit.
I thought the arrows had some significance, but it wasn't explained. They just presented them as arrows with bad ass tips.
Ben: AND THE FUCKING VOICE MASK BULLSHIT! THEY ARE WELL AWARE OF YOUR SECRET IDENTITY, OLLIE! Justin Hartley had some cool last lines that got RUINED by that stupid thing.
Kiel: Maybe the arrows were infused with the power of Clark's inspiration, and the secrets of Ollie's mask voice, AND the repeating of the phrase "heroes" 453 times? Or...phrases involving the word "heroes." The wold needs them, Ben...but maybe they're not meant to love.

Ben: Hold onto Smallville, Kiel! Hey, you know what I liked IN SPITE of its ridiculousness? Pretty much every bit of Lois Lane on the President's airplane. Great performance by Eric Durance. That felt like everything Lois is supposed to be, "It would never work" distraction of the security guard included. Her speech was terribly corny, but she made it at least half work.
Kiel: Yeah, it was a real Lois Laney moment. Fun use of a new set that didn't feel cheesy. Thumbs up.

Ben: I guess...we're at Clark vs Darkseid, yeah?
Kiel: Yeah. And this is the first example of part two's ridiculous padding: The Super-Montage! Someone has to have timed this by now, but is sure felt like about 4 minutes from each season of the fucking show, man. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG.
Ben: The montage is an absolutely crucial part to any finale of a show like this in my mind, but this one would not have been handled worse. Not only was it far far too long, but it was impossible to make out which clips we were seeing half the time. I would have loved a nice trip down memory lane, but I would have liked it to not only be shorter and more clear, but to also have been a more accurate representation of the series. Give what a wild and all over the place decade this show has had, they could have done something really cool and crazy rather than just showing Clark getting thrown around by explosions and catching cars a lot.
Kiel: Yeah!
Ben: We should have seen Lana, Lex, Lionel, Kara, Ollie, Flash, Aquaman, the JSA, the Legion, Zatanna, Cyborg, every villains, every hero, etc. They should have gone to the well and pulled up clips of every nobody they had playing a freak of the week who broke out huge from Amy Adams to Ian Somerhalder.
Kiel: The only moment that really stood out to me was when Clark saved Lana in the truck during the Tornado, which was a pretty significant episode I recall. There were big moments over the years they could have been referencing here that would have given some more emotional impact than "So these were my trials?"
Ben: I think the best montage ever was the "Previously On" from before the fifth season finale of Buffy. They literally cycled through EVERY significant moment and guest star, just speeding things up as they went so by the time they were at the end the pace was flying. And then she killed a vampire in an alley in a moment not at all connected to what was going on at the time, but because it was how the show started. That's what I wanted for "Smallville": Some sequence that acknowledged what an insane trip it has been with a nice little homage to the simplest days and then we go fight Darkseid. So yeah, letdown.

Kiel: I will say this, though. When he came out of the Montage and was floating...that was the first "payoff moment" I think they tried to hit and probably the best one in the episode.
Ben: I agree 100%.
Kiel: It put you right back in the moment of the fight, made you go "Oh shit!" and Welling looked significantly bad ass. Good jorb!
Ben: That was one of the moments I mentioned that had me cheering audibly. That was Tom Welling's finest moment. He took ten years of character development that could be excruciating at times and distilled it down into simply an expression that said "Yeah, I've been waiting for this as much as you have." When he FINALLY flew for the first time, it totally felt important, and I didn't think it was at all cheapened by all the "cheat" flight moments like when he was possessed by Kryptonite or in the Matrix. That moment was worth it.
Kiel: Could have used a little more fight afterwards, but yeah...that's a little gripe here. Overall it slayed.

Ben: They convinced me they made the right decision holding fast on "no flight, no tights" through the end. Did you feel like he beat Darkseid too easily? I assume you wanted a bit more of a fight scene there. I did. I mean, on the larger scale I get that the physical victory over Lionel/Darkseid wasn't the point and defeating Darkseid as a concept is both impossible and more important, but I still wanted more punching.
Kiel: Yeah, I did. But I would have been better with it if we would have gotten some actual quality time of Welling in suit, which we did not...AT ALL.
Ben: Yeah...yeah.

Kiel: I mean, I don't think the saving the plane was bad or the whole action sequence could have been done like an actual Superman movie, but when they'd go to mega-extreme close up of him and then just have a bit of super fake cape floating over his shoulder, I'd go "COME ON!" My one major complaint against the whole finale: They could have just stretched that Routh shirt over him and shot him from the waste up. That should have been the #1 picture on the nerd internet the next day. The real payoff image of the show, and it just never materialized. And like I was saying earlier about the episode: Not nailing that final image doesn't ruin the show for me or really let me down, because I've enjoyed a lot of this show over the years. But it was a miss. Total miss.
Ben: I felt equal parts frustrated we didn't get to see it and bad for Tom Welling that after ten years of doing this he didn't get to have that moment.
Kiel: OH YEAH.
Ben: Part of me feels like I'd maybe feel better if we found out the reasoning was he vocally did not want to wear the suit or something...but nah, not even then
Kiel: They knew what people expected. Tom in the suit. I can't imagine what would have made that impossible.
Ben: You know what else I wanted to get? At least a couple line of Welling doing a "Superman" voice. Christopher Reeve and even Brandon Routh did a great job creating a distinctive voice for when they were in costume as opposed to playing Clark and I wanted to hear how he'd do it. But that pales in comparison to the disappointment of not seeing him in the suit. Yeah, I agree, it's inexcusable.
I still love that he just threw Apokolips into space though. It sucked it was CGI, it made very little sense, and it was the same ending as "Superman Returns," but it was another instance where it was so ridiculous that I loved it, ala the Gold Kryptonite ring. I'm a little baffled people seem to be confused that Superman saving the day erased the Omega symbols because inspiration was the anti-Anti-Life. Yeah, it's an even worse version of bad comic book logic, but at the least I thought the show laid it out pretty explicitly.

Kiel: Yeah. I had no problem with the theory for how this episode ended it. Even the stuff we guessed (Lionel as Darkseid, "Love and trust" saving Ollie) were fine in their execution. It was just the big moment at the end wasn't pulled off by this show and its constraints. I really liked the last Daily Planet scene, though! Real Jimmy, the voice of Michael McKean as Perry, some nice Lois and Clarks stuff...and the last image was the best one of Welling as Clark in the how and the music ending with the credits being Donner-style. All positives! It was just that middle where they fumbled hard.
Ben: Was that the voice of Michael McKean? I had no idea. That's great. And I really wish Aaron Ashmore had not been in the credits because that was great too. And yeah, if you can find fault in the way it all ended with the Williams score, the slow mo shot and Welling doing the S-shield reveal...well, maybe you could argue that it was too far abroad from where Smallville started, but that would be a silly argument. It was a great finish.
Kiel: Agreed.

Ben: Megan actually put forward an interesting theory: Since Lex got the total mindwipe, is it possible that he ended up being a good guy and his being elected President was actually the culmination of that rather than an evil scheme?
He was wearing all white.
Kiel: Ha!
Ben: She backed it up with the fact that the show paid so much lip service to being raised a Luthor tainted you and how he technically would not have been now.
Kiel: I don't know. I think he was wearing white back in the day when he saw the future thanks to the blind lady from "Road to Avonlea" and in that flash forward he killed fields of flowers with a single touch of his gloved hand.

Ben: It's something to ponder though. I a world where Lois Lane knew Clark Kent was an alien well before he was Superman or they got married and where Green Arrow has a kid with Clark's high school buddy, nothing is impossible. Of course that was not her first reaction to the finale scene. That would be: "They couldn't reschedule the wedding for seven years?!"
Kiel: That church in Smallville had to replace its baptismal fount and wasn't doing bookings for a while!
Ben: Ha! I noted the whole "He needs to go stop a crime in the middle of this scene" thing may have been a microcosm of why it took them so long, but I like yours better. Y'know, I also had a though re: our complaint that they should have done nerdy Clark a season or two earlier. I realized in their defense that until Lois and pretty much everybody else in the main cast knew his secret, they couldn't do that because they'd all be wondering why the fuck he was suddenly acting like that. Granted it shouldn't work period because at the very least everybody who works with him at the Daily Planet knows he's not a nerdy klutz, but such is the slippery slope of "Smallville."
Kiel: Yeah...I don't know.

Ben: Speaking of which, and continuing on with good things about the last scene, the semi-tease with the "Ms. Lane" bit and then the immediate confirmation that Lois did NOT get mindwiped--which was the major thing I didn't want to happen in this episode--was a nother thing I liked.
Kiel: Oh, I see that. But beyond my general thoughts on this episode, I don't feel like there's much to say. I thought I might have some grand final feeling after doing this all year, but there's not much left. It was a fun show. I'm glad I watched a lot of it.
Ben: I would love at some point to re watch at least the first couple episodes at some point to confirm how crazy the transformation of this show was. Say what you will about it, but it survived for a decade by adapting and still kept something familiar enough at the core that they were able to circle back to things that mattered in the beginning in their finale over 200 episodes later. That is something.
Kiel: Yeah, it changed a lot. I'm really curious to see if it ends up with a rerun life and whether or not people will remember it as much as some other pieces of nerd culture. I mean, it was never as broadly popular as things like The X-Files, but it certainly outlived a bunch of that other stuff.
Ben: I think as two people who at least experienced parts of the prior ten years, we definitely had an interesting window into this show. People who picked it up only with the last season or only when the DC characters started showing up may never fully appreciate just how nuts and impressive it is that this show did what it did. But my true final thought?
Kiel: Go for it!
Ben: I hope Sam Jones III got some royalties from his likeness as Pete Ross appearing in that "Smallville" comic Chloe was reading to her kid. He needs them now more than ever. And that it was truly a great experience doing these with you buddy! In all sincerity, I can't believe and am impressed by us that we made it through the whole season without missing an episode!
Kiel: I think someone from the show will slip him an extra pack of cigarettes to use as currency. I'm in shock we stuck with it this long!
Ben: But we did! Maybe Kristen Kreuk can take time out of her busy schedule.
Kiel: And I've got to say, I'm a little bummed Wonder Woman didn't get picked up because there's no obvious place for us to take this format next.
Ben: We can and will find some way to pick this up in the Fall. There will surely be something. And now we can truly say...SAYONARA, SMALLVILLE!
Kiel: HOORAY!
Friday, May 20, 2011
The Wizards of "Smallville" Part 2
When we last checked in on the history of Ben and I's tenure at Wizard – well, at least our tenure as "Smallville" reporters for Wizard...the rest of it would involve many stories about a Chinese Buffet and the only office in the place with a door and Atomic Twinkies and surly comments from Mike Cotton and a soundtrack by Posion/Phish – we'd gone over a big list of the big names from the just-wrapped Superman series that we interviewed back then.
But there's so much more weird stuff.
As we were ending our run on the magazine, there was this brief flowering of TV coverage on the Wizard website that everyone got involved in whether they wanted to or not. Group recaps of everything from "Lost" to "Battlestar Galactica" were common and done in the style of Wizard's then-popular "Thursday Morning Quarterback" column. Unsurprisingly, our beat was "Smallville" where I think we made it through eight episodes of Season 7 for "TVQB" with the help of Dave Paggi, ToyFare's Adam Tracey and InQuest's Brent Fishbaugh. By no stretch of the imagination was Season 7 part of the show's glory years, and I remember how trying to keep up with "Smallvile" during its transformation into crazy superhero drama finally broke me from the series after watching it since the pilot.
BUT! We also did a considerable amount of interviews with the show's many random guest stars and stunt cast folks around that time, and they were always the most memorable and fun experiences of covering the show. Check out some of the highlights (and lowlights?) of that era below.

Dean Cain
Ben wrote about his experience talking to the Superman of the '90s here. Their chat below turned out to be pretty fun, but I tells ya, it's got to be a little tough to play Superman and then try to do something else. If you play Superman in a failed TV pilot, you're still going to have people calling you on the phone in 20 years and going, "So...what was it like in those underpants?" No wonder it breaks some men.

I don't know if I buy that "Tom doesn't want to wear the tights" bit, but I may be projecting.

Aaron Ashmore
Then again, being known for playing Superman might be a bit easier than being known for playing more minor league comic heroes like the Brothers Ashmore have done. Aaron Asmore, who played what we now call "fake out Jimmy Olsen" in Season 7, had earned Ben and I's nerd respect for appearing in a pretty solid run of "Veronica Mars" episodes, and his brother Sean "Iceman" Ashmore (AKA "Marvel Comics' Tom Brennan") also had a run as a villain in "Smallville's" early seasons. But Aaron went even further in the eyes of the Wizard "Smallville QB" team when he gave Dave Paggi and I one of our signature phrases. Read on for the full story.

Phil Morris
Holy shit, you guys. Jackie Chiles played the Martian Manhunter on "Smallville." You have no idea how excited that got me during a ROUGH work time. My enthusiasm was instantaneous. Bodacious. Contagious. Outrageous!
It didn't hurt that actor Phil Morris, who portrayed the iconic "Seinfeld" supporting player before stepping into the Oreo-dunking shoes of J'onn J'onzz, was one of the nicest folks I've had the pleasure of talking to and a huge comic fan to boot. To this day he's the only Hollywood type who I've ever spoken to who just had the publicity people forward me his home number to call "whenever I had a minute."


Kane & Ashley
At some point between the last time i had any idea what wrestling was all about (I think it was just before "No Holds Barred" came out) and 2007, I guess wrestlers started going by one name or something? Anyway, that's about all the info I had going in when I had to interview a "WWE Diva" whose name is simply "Ashley."
The only reason I spoke to that woman – an experience that was hyped up more by the WWE-assigned PR guy than anything I'd done at Wizard before or since - was because Ben was out on the day it was supposed to go down (Wizard World LA trip?). Luckily for Benny, the WWE episode of "Smallville" was the only time we were offered and accepted two interviews for one episode of the show, so he got to speak to a very large, scary-looking man called Kane. Check out a bit of both below!

That's all I've got for "Smallville" and Wizard, though there's one piece of text left from our years there I leave in Ben's hands if he wants to share it. Otherwise, we'll have the final "Sayonara, Smallville" up later today, and then it's back to comics
But there's so much more weird stuff.
As we were ending our run on the magazine, there was this brief flowering of TV coverage on the Wizard website that everyone got involved in whether they wanted to or not. Group recaps of everything from "Lost" to "Battlestar Galactica" were common and done in the style of Wizard's then-popular "Thursday Morning Quarterback" column. Unsurprisingly, our beat was "Smallville" where I think we made it through eight episodes of Season 7 for "TVQB" with the help of Dave Paggi, ToyFare's Adam Tracey and InQuest's Brent Fishbaugh. By no stretch of the imagination was Season 7 part of the show's glory years, and I remember how trying to keep up with "Smallvile" during its transformation into crazy superhero drama finally broke me from the series after watching it since the pilot.
BUT! We also did a considerable amount of interviews with the show's many random guest stars and stunt cast folks around that time, and they were always the most memorable and fun experiences of covering the show. Check out some of the highlights (and lowlights?) of that era below.

Dean Cain
Ben wrote about his experience talking to the Superman of the '90s here. Their chat below turned out to be pretty fun, but I tells ya, it's got to be a little tough to play Superman and then try to do something else. If you play Superman in a failed TV pilot, you're still going to have people calling you on the phone in 20 years and going, "So...what was it like in those underpants?" No wonder it breaks some men.
Ben: What can you say about your role on “Smallville”?
Cain: I play a character named Curtis Knox, who is a very special sort of fellow. He’s [in Smallville] for a very particular reason and has a very specific agenda that becomes clear as the episode progresses, but it deals with the meteor infected and a cure he has found for them. I’m working for Lex Luthor, so, of course, my path will cross with Clark Kent.
Ben: Is this a one-time appearance or could you be back later on?
Cain: I never give away that kind of info. [Laughs] I will say that I have only shot one episode, but it’s kind of hard to kill this character—let’s just leave it at that.
Ben: What was it like working with this cast?
Cain: It was great! These guys have been doing this for so long, seven years, that they’ve got it down to a science. It’s a real nice situation up [in Vancouver where they shoot]. I hadn’t watched a lot of the episodes [before being cast], so it took me a minute to adjust because they’re moving at mach-10, but once you figure out the tone, you get it, and then it was quite fun. I reminded me of the hours I used to pull on “Lois & Clark” and also that I don’t have to do that anymore. [Laughs]
Ben: Now when you were announced as being a guest star for this season, fan reaction was tremendously positive—how did that make you feel?
Cain: If people are excited that I’m on the show, I’m happy. That’s very cool. I dig that. I am part of the Superman mythos and I’m glad. I’m proud to have played that role and proud to be associated with that. Once Christopher Reeve appeared [on “Smallville”], that really cleared the way for everybody, because to me he is the original Superman. I know there were other guys before him, but he is my original Superman.
Ben: Did you find yourself comparing it to “Lois & Clark” or are the shows too different?
Cain: I think it’s apples and oranges. [“Smallville”] is really nothing like what we did. “Lois & Clark” was a more family friendly show—this is a little bit darker. This is more for teenagers. At one point I’m cutting out a live woman’s kidney! We were a show where the younger kids could watch and it was a cuter version. It’s a whole different take on that world because you’ve got all these meteor infected kids, you’ve got Clark Kent and Lex Luthor knowing each other in Smallville and all that sort of stuff going on.

Ben: Did you and Tom Welling, who plays Clark, spend a lot of time together on set?
Cain: We had a few days of head-to-head work, so to speak.
Ben: Even though he’s been playing the character for seven years now, did he pick your brain at all? Did you offer any advice?
Cain: [Laughs] He did not pick my brain about the character because his character is totally different [than my Clark Kent was]. We did commiserate over some of the real life situations like the hours you have to work. It was really interesting to be in a scene where somebody was moving at super speed and that person was not me.
Ben: Is this the first time you’ve ever interacted with another member of this fraternity of guys who have played Superman or Clark Kent?
Cain: It certainly was. It’s funny. It’s fun. He’s a big dude. Tom’s big! I mean I’m six foot, 200 pounds, but he’s got to be six foot three, 240. He’s big, man. That kid is definitely taller than me and definitely bigger.
Ben: Did he give you a hard time about the fact that he doesn’t have to wear tights?
Cain: No. I don’t think he even wants to touch that! I think he’s pretty happy he doesn’t have to wear tights. Let me tell you, there were times I was hanging in those tights 40 feet off the ground and saying out loud, “I went to Princeton for this?” [Laughs]
Ben: Now “Lois & Clark” has been off the air for 10 years…
Cain: [Gasp then laughter]
Ben: I looked it up! Anyways, a decade later, how big a part of your life is your time on that show and having played Superman?
Cain: People are aware that I played the character, though it changes with each generation. Some of the younger kids wouldn’t know me. They’d know Brandon Routh or Tom. It varies. Some people know me from “Ripley’s Believe It or Not” or from a movie, but I think that people still recognize me [as Superman] is fantastic. It’s a character that never really goes away, that you’re always associated with, which I like and don’t mind in the least. It certainly has been the defining role of my career thus far. I’m just on the other side of 40, and luckily I’m an actor, not an athlete, so I’ve got a lot still left to do. I’ll always be associated with Superman, which I’m very happy about, but I do hope it’s not the highpoint of my career.
Ben: Where do you ultimately see your place in the sprawling Superman mythos and legacy?
Cain: I don’t know. I’m way too close to be able to look back and say, “ok, this is where I fit in.” The biggest of the bunch is Christopher Reeve, and I think he’s the one who really did it. I’m somebody else who did it and maybe brought it back out and changed things a bit, but I think he’s the guy, and I don’t think that’s me being modest, it’s just me being honest Hopefully I fit in somewhere up there. I enjoyed what I got to do, I had a lot of fun, but it’s for other people to decide, I guess.
I don't know if I buy that "Tom doesn't want to wear the tights" bit, but I may be projecting.

Aaron Ashmore
Then again, being known for playing Superman might be a bit easier than being known for playing more minor league comic heroes like the Brothers Ashmore have done. Aaron Asmore, who played what we now call "fake out Jimmy Olsen" in Season 7, had earned Ben and I's nerd respect for appearing in a pretty solid run of "Veronica Mars" episodes, and his brother Sean "Iceman" Ashmore (AKA "Marvel Comics' Tom Brennan") also had a run as a villain in "Smallville's" early seasons. But Aaron went even further in the eyes of the Wizard "Smallville QB" team when he gave Dave Paggi and I one of our signature phrases. Read on for the full story.
Kiel: So Aaron, I’m going to possibly make a huge reporter’s mistake by starting with the question you always get about being a twin in Hollywood. But even for you and your brother Sean, it’s pretty crazy that you’ve both gotten a chance to play comic book icons, so I was wondering how often you have people asking you what it’s like to be Iceman or conversly asking Sean what it’s like to be Jimmy Olson?
Ashmore: [Laughs] It doesn’t happen all that much in interviews because most of the time people have done their research beforehand. But on a day to day basis it does happen on the street or even at an audition you’ll bump into somebody who says, ‘Hey! I really like you in the show!’ or ‘I really liked you in that flick!’ And you have to go, ‘No, that was actually my brother.’ But that’s something that happens on a day to day basis, and if we’re both going to be in the business that’s just part of it.
Kiel: Another connection you two share is actually ‘Smallville’ because Sean played a villain in a few episodes of the early seasons before you got the full-time gig.
Ashmore: Totally. When he did the show years ago, he told me how cool it was and how cool everyone was. When I told him I was going to be on the show, he was freaking out saying, ‘Oh, man! I wonder if the same director’s are going to be there! And the cast is great!’ All that. He had nothing but good things to say even before he knew that I was going to go back. He was ecstatic for me.
Kiel: What’s it like being Jimmy Olson? A lot of times you’ll play a part on a show that a lot of people watch, but even my grandmother knows who Jimmy Olson is.
Ashmore: [Laughs] It’s really cool. For example, one of the great things about it is that I went to the DVD party for ‘Superman Returns,’ and they had four incarnations of Jimmy Olson there. That really puts things into perspective on how long it’s been and what a popular character that is. It’s an honor, and I feel really lucky to be playing a part that so many people have enjoyed. People really connect to his character, and he’s more of an everyman than a lot of the characters in the comic book world. A lot of people feel like it could be them in this really cool universe. It’s easy to relate to.
Kiel: I have to admit that I’ve stolen one of your Jimmy lines in the office here. About a month back at the end of an episode, Jimmy goes up to Clark and puts out a fist saying, ‘Ring that bell!’ Ever since I can’t stop doing it to [Wizard Price Guide Assistant David Paggi].
Ashmore: [Laughs] That’s a funny story because we were just doing a rehersal and running through lines, and that wasn’t in the script. I just put my fist out and said it. I thought, ‘That’s so stupid. I don’t know where that came from.’ And Tom [Welling] started laughing and said, ‘God! You have to keep that in! That’s perfect. It’s SO Jimmy.’ [Laughs] I thought it was way over the top, but I’m glad Tom wanted to keep it because when I watched it back I knew it fit the character well. So keep saying that. Spread it around, and people can catch on.
Kiel: One of the things about Jimmy Olson as a character is obviously that he’s a photographer. On the set, you’re dealing with camera props a lot, but are you much of a photog yourself?
Ashmore: I’m not a huge photographer, but I thought -- when I got done with high school I took a junior college photgraphy class and thought, ‘Maybe this is something that I’d be interested in.’ And I actually enjoy taking pictures, but it turns out I’m not very good at it. [Laughs] I don’t have the eye for the photography, but luckily for doing it on TV I’ve had a little bit of training so it looks like I know what I’m doing. Thank goodness they don’t show any of the shots I’m taking though. You wouldn’t be too impressed with my composition.
Kiel: So after doing a cult comic book show like ‘Smallville’ and another cult show in ‘Veronica Mars’ are there any other shows of this kiind you’d like to have a go at or a role you want to sink your teeth into?
Ashmore: I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again: I had a so much fun on ‘Veronica Mars’ and I LOVED the character of Troy. If they ever wanted me to come back, that’s one of the shows I know is great and I’m a big fan of, so I’d totally be willing to get back in that. As far as other shows, I’m also a huge fan of ‘Battlestar Galactica,’ and that shoots up in Vancouver as well. So I’m always saying to my agents, ‘Guys, I’m up there. I don’t know if there’s anything for my age group, but I’ll take any little part on that show.’ I really do dig sci fi stuff, and there’s something about ‘Battlestar’ that’s so cool.

Phil Morris
Holy shit, you guys. Jackie Chiles played the Martian Manhunter on "Smallville." You have no idea how excited that got me during a ROUGH work time. My enthusiasm was instantaneous. Bodacious. Contagious. Outrageous!
It didn't hurt that actor Phil Morris, who portrayed the iconic "Seinfeld" supporting player before stepping into the Oreo-dunking shoes of J'onn J'onzz, was one of the nicest folks I've had the pleasure of talking to and a huge comic fan to boot. To this day he's the only Hollywood type who I've ever spoken to who just had the publicity people forward me his home number to call "whenever I had a minute."
Kiel: The obvious first question for anyone doing a show like ‘Smallville’ for us has got to be how into this stuff are you?
Morris: Well, let me tell you this right now, buddy boy. I’ll let you know. Give you in the inside scoop. I’m looking at my wall unit that has between 15 and 20,000 issues. Let me just take a walk on the wild said and pull out...Daredevil #25 with Gene Colan, Vinnie Colletta...it’s the Leap Frog issue. [Laughs] Yeah man, are you kidding me? I am as freak as they come. I have every single issue of Silver Surfer #1 to 18. I had to buy them twice because I sold them once. I have Fantastic Four #4 through 100. I am all over this like a rash.
Kiel: Solid. So coming in to this, are you a Marvel guy playing on a DC show?
Morris: Here’s my theory. I think if you’re a real comic guy, you either loved DC or you loved Marvel. You might have respected one or the other, but there was one you were tied to. And if you didn’t have one you were tied to, you weren’t a real comic guy. I was a Marvel guy growing up, and the reason was because those were the first books I got. My first was an Iron Man/Captain America Tales of Suspense that I got in a Cleveland drugstore with my grandma in 1968. And then, of course with T’Challa the Black Panther, Luke Cage and the Falcon Marvel just did social commentary a little better other than the Neal Adams Green Arrow/Green Lanterns. So Marvel was my house, but I always loved DC and Batman and Superman in particular.
Kiel: One of the things Martian Manhunter is know for visually is his gigantic forehead. Did you have to get into the big prosthetics for the gig?
Morris: Honestly, I think it would be ridiculous to give him that form in a television show. In a comic, on a monthly basis or in the Justice League team, it’s a lot more palatable to see him in his original guise. But I think to use that form in a television show is just going to turn viewers off for one, and it’s going to make it a little unappealing for Kal El to deal with...especially in an episode like this one, which takes place in his mind. If I show up as an alien in his mind, he’s not going to buy it. He’s going to think it’s a construct of his own.
And I think the creators were very smart in using an African American male for many reasons. For my own personal reasons...well there’s really only two aliens in the Justice League: Superman and Martian Manhunter. Everyone else is human. Certainly Wonder Woman’s an Amazon, but she comes from earth. So they’re really two men who understand being alone on the planet. African Americans, especially males, have the sense of what it’s like to be alone on the planet, especially in America. So I just dug deep and used a lot of my inner workings to make him real and relate him to Kal El.
Kiel: So far this season, they’ve really focused on Clark being removed from everybody he meets and his humanity. Coming in to meet John Jones for the first time, is John trying to make him feel included in some way.
Morris: Yes. Without giving it away, I have a great scene with him that speaks to that. The platform I use is, ‘You’ve been trying to assimilate for so long. When are you going to realize that you’re undercutting your own uniqueness? Why be somebody else? And why would you want to be human when their situation is not attractive? They’re not very compassionate.’ It’s interesting. Martian Manhunter is a very humane character, albeit a martian. So he relates to Kal El in that way and in the way that they’re not very different. He’s the last of his kind. I’m the last of my kind. I’ve been on this planet a long time trying to deal with these humans and their foibles, and they’re just a little less than me. And I’m sure he understands the truth of what my words are saying.

Kiel: The teaser for the character included the in-reference of him eating Oreo’s. Did you have to mow down on those things in the episode? Are you sick of Oreo’s?
Morris: [Laughs] No. We kind of throw the homage to the Oreo cookies in a scene, but in the scene where the cookie’s involved it’s very difficult to eat it at the same time as you’re speaking. So I just kind of hold it and gesture with it, but I don’t really consume it. I didn’t get sick of the. I love them. I would eat them wholeheartedly. I was thinking about going to eat it, and then he comes, but it just seemed false. I just look at it, admire it a bit and then we start speaking.
Kiel: Being someone who does have martial arts training, are you doing any stunt work or special effects stuff for this episode?
Morris: In this episode, it’s minimal if only because a lot of it does take place in the construct of his mind. Our powers are non-existent there. Only when he comes out of it and you see me as me, which is kind of cool. I wear this really long, cobalt blue leather coat that harkens back to the cobalt blue cape that he wears and a red shirt and black pants. It’s vaguely reminiscent of what John Jones wears in the book with the Justice League, but it’s contemporary -- kind of like an intergalactic Shaft. [Laughs] But I do get a chance to do one of the things I’ve always wanted to do on the screen which is fly. I didn’t do it, but it was a post production trick. That’s why I think they’re going to have him back. [Kal El] and I fighting is going to be just awesome. [Laughs] You know what I mean? I can’t wait!
Kiel: Beyond Martian Manhunter, as a comic fan and a Marvel guy who would be your top character to portray?
Morris: I am perfectly suited for the Black Panther. I’m 6”1’ and a half. I’m 185 pounds. I’ve been teaching martial arts for ten or 15 years. I’ve been practicing this style for 20. I’ve been studying my whole like. I cross social boundaries easily. I grew up in Beverly Hills and understand the highs and the lows of the social strata. I just think that T’Challa would be a wonderful character to play.
And I love John Jones. I would love to see him as a lynchpin in whatever expansion of the show they may think of. I don’t know that there is one, but I just think that John Jones has a great compassion to him. I would like to explore that. So John Jones right now is my man. [Laughs]
But I think the Black Panther certainly would be the guy for me. Luke Cage is a little too stout and Ving Rhaimish. It would be good for me to do the Black Panther because I’m not famous yet. I’m a well known actor, but I wouldn’t get in the way of people attaching T’Challa’s identity to me as an actor as opposed to, say a Denzel [Washington] doing it. Then you’re watching Denzel playing the Black Panther. You’re watching Wesley [Snipes] play the Black Panther. If I play the Black Panther, I don’t think I’d get in the way of the character’s message.
Kiel: Considering all the different shows you’ve taken part in and how John Jones is a kind of pop culture icon, you’ve already had the chance to create an icon of your own with Jackie Chiles on ‘Seinfeld.’ I must see an episode you did as him once every other week on TV.
Morris: It’s a great character, and I’m actually going to Utah to be a keynote speaker at the Jackie Chiles Society, which is their law society on campus. [Laughs] It’s the number one club at the University of Utah. It’s over 200 members strong, and they have Jackie Chiles as their head. They have a guy who ghost writes a column based on all of my rants. I’ve always been fully entrenched in popular culture. My father was in the original ‘Mission Impossible.’ I did ‘The Love Boat’ with Robert Urich. I’ve been all around this thing, so John Jones is right in swing with what I’ve done in my career.

Kane & Ashley
At some point between the last time i had any idea what wrestling was all about (I think it was just before "No Holds Barred" came out) and 2007, I guess wrestlers started going by one name or something? Anyway, that's about all the info I had going in when I had to interview a "WWE Diva" whose name is simply "Ashley."
The only reason I spoke to that woman – an experience that was hyped up more by the WWE-assigned PR guy than anything I'd done at Wizard before or since - was because Ben was out on the day it was supposed to go down (Wizard World LA trip?). Luckily for Benny, the WWE episode of "Smallville" was the only time we were offered and accepted two interviews for one episode of the show, so he got to speak to a very large, scary-looking man called Kane. Check out a bit of both below!
Ben: How did this opportunity to appear on “Smallville” come about?
Kane: WWE approached me after they had been contacted by “Smallville” to see if I would play this part. That was pretty much it from my end. They described the character I play, Titan, and that was attractive to me because it reminded me a lot of me. [Fellow WWE wrestler] Batista did a “Smallville” episode awhile back, so [WWE] has a bit of a relationship with them.
Ben: So who is Titan?
Kane: He’s from the Phantom Zone. He’s basically an intergalactic cage fighter and he has a bony spike that grows out of his hand.
Ben: How does Titan fare against Clark Kent?
Kane: Titan holds his own. Actually, Titan takes Clark Kent to the limit. From what they were telling me, he beats Clark Kent up like nobody ever has before. I’d say Titan had a good showing for himself.
Ben: How do you think Tom Welling, who plays Clark, would do in WWE?
Kane: Well, I’ll tell you, during one of our fight scenes, Tom punched me right in the face by accident. Nothing happened, we kept on going. He knew he hit me and apologized, but I told him not to worry about it because I get hit a lot harder than that. I thought it was funny because he gave me a pretty decent shot. I don’t think Tom should try getting in a WWE ring. [Laughs]
Ben: Now last time we spoke, you told me your favorite comic book character was Thor—who wins, Thor against Superman?
Kane: I’ve never been a big Superman fan, and the reason was because nobody could take him unless you get Kryptonite involved. I think Thor could give Superman a heck of a fight, but I don’t think he could do it in the end; I think Superman would take him. Thor’s a little limited; he doesn’t have heat vision and all the things Superman has.
Ben: He does have that hammer…
Kane: He does have the hammer. One of the best Thor stories I ever read was Thor versus The Hulk. This was when Thor still turned into Donald Blake if he lost the hammer, and what happened was at the end of the fight he lost the hammer, and Thor knew if he turned back into Donald Blake, Hulk was going to crush him like a bug, so Thor had to pull out a technical submission move and put The Hulk out. Thor might be a better fighter than Superman, like Titan is, and I wouldn’t count him out, but Thor just doesn’t have the powers that Superman does.

Kiel: You’re on tonight’s episode of “Smallville”…
Ashley: That’s right! How cool is that? I’m so stoked about it. I’ve been a fan of comic books because my brother collected them as we were growing up. He’s a few years younger than me, and he actually had one of the first copies of Superman ever and has it encased in glass and all that. [Laughs] He and my parents are big fans of “Smallville,” and they were super thrilled to find out I was going to be appearing on the show.
Kiel: So are you a foe or a friend to Clark Kent coming into this?
Ashley: Well, you’ll have to watch the show to see how it’s played out, but I can tell you that I have a fight scene with Lois Lane.
Kiel: It’s funny because we were talking to Kane the other day because he’s doing the show as well, but he said he had a fight scene where Tom Welling accidentally punched him. But he felt bad because he didn’t want to tell Tom that it didn’t actually hurt.
Ashley: That’s hilarious. It reminds me of a story. I just shot the cover of Playboy that came out a couple of days ago, and while I was on the set – on the cover I’m sitting on the arm of this big, steel chair. The photographer’s assistant – this big heavy set guy – had to sit on the other end of the chair to hold it steady. He was obviously out of frame, but there was one time where we were shooting and he had to do something, but I didn’t realize he’d gotten up. I went flying. The chair kicked over, and I’m trying to be all sexy and cool and everything until I go “Ahhhhh!” and make this huge bump. Everybody from Playboy was like, “Oh my God! We’ve got to take her to the hospital!” It was this big huge deal, but the photographers and the video from WWE were laughing with me because it’s OK. [Laughs] “She’s kind of used to it. It’ll be all right.”
That's all I've got for "Smallville" and Wizard, though there's one piece of text left from our years there I leave in Ben's hands if he wants to share it. Otherwise, we'll have the final "Sayonara, Smallville" up later today, and then it's back to comics
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